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  <title type="text">Django developers Google Group</title>
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  <updated>2009-11-21T04:25:31Z</updated>
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  <author>
  <name>Rob Hudson</name>
  <email>r...@cogit8.org</email>
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  <updated>2009-11-21T04:25:31Z</updated>
  <id>http://groups.google.co.nz/group/django-developers/browse_frm/thread/44cd834438cfda77/557f53697658ab04?show_docid=557f53697658ab04</id>
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  <title type="text">Re: Public method for getting model field names in order of definition</title>
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  On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 6:38 AM, David Chandek-Stark &lt;br&gt; &lt;p&gt;I do, and have another use case in mind... &lt;br&gt; &lt;p&gt;For example, let&#39;s say you have a Profile model and you have a profile &lt;br&gt; edit view which uses a ModelForm. In the edit template you can simply &lt;br&gt; output the {{ form }} or iterate over the form: &lt;br&gt; &lt;p&gt; {% for field in form %}
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  <author>
  <name>Alex Gaynor</name>
  <email>alex.gay...@gmail.com</email>
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  <updated>2009-11-21T03:55:40Z</updated>
  <id>http://groups.google.co.nz/group/django-developers/browse_frm/thread/149d7c4aabbc034f/11d552330a3d6fbe?show_docid=11d552330a3d6fbe</id>
  <link href="http://groups.google.co.nz/group/django-developers/browse_frm/thread/149d7c4aabbc034f/11d552330a3d6fbe?show_docid=11d552330a3d6fbe"/>
  <title type="text">Re: Oracle/GIS Testers Needed</title>
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  Thanks for taking a look Justin. I won&#39;t have time to look into it &lt;br&gt; myself this weekend, but if you have any questions feel free to ask &lt;br&gt; here on IRC and I can try to help. Otherwise I will have time this &lt;br&gt; coming week and can hopefully start digging into this, as it&#39;s &lt;br&gt; probably the single most important tihng to fix up.
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  <entry>
  <author>
  <name>Justin Bronn</name>
  <email>jbr...@gmail.com</email>
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  <updated>2009-11-21T03:52:45Z</updated>
  <id>http://groups.google.co.nz/group/django-developers/browse_frm/thread/149d7c4aabbc034f/453ff826066fca67?show_docid=453ff826066fca67</id>
  <link href="http://groups.google.co.nz/group/django-developers/browse_frm/thread/149d7c4aabbc034f/453ff826066fca67?show_docid=453ff826066fca67"/>
  <title type="text">Re: Oracle/GIS Testers Needed</title>
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  Yes, multi-db is seriously broken with GIS on all backends (it&#39;d be &lt;br&gt; pointless to list all the errors here). Basically, the massive shift &lt;br&gt; of `Query` internals to `SQLCompiler` is the root of the problem -- &lt;br&gt; there needs to be a corresponding `GeoSQLCompiler` with `GeoQuerySet` &lt;br&gt; and `GeoQuery` wired to use it accordingly. I&#39;ll try to look at it in
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  <entry>
  <author>
  <name>Alex Gaynor</name>
  <email>alex.gay...@gmail.com</email>
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  <updated>2009-11-20T23:36:00Z</updated>
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  <link href="http://groups.google.co.nz/group/django-developers/browse_frm/thread/149d7c4aabbc034f/f377f818e6913dab?show_docid=f377f818e6913dab"/>
  <title type="text">Re: Oracle/GIS Testers Needed</title>
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  Thanks! &lt;br&gt; &lt;p&gt;Unfortunately i have basically no idea what any of those Oracle bugs &lt;br&gt; mean. However, the few non-frightening errors I saw all also appeared &lt;br&gt; on trunk, so I guess my refactor basically didn&#39;t break anything. &lt;br&gt; &lt;p&gt;Alex &lt;br&gt; &lt;p&gt;-- &lt;br&gt; &amp;quot;I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your
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  <entry>
  <author>
  <name>Karen Tracey</name>
  <email>kmtra...@gmail.com</email>
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  <updated>2009-11-20T20:56:38Z</updated>
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  <link href="http://groups.google.co.nz/group/django-developers/browse_frm/thread/149d7c4aabbc034f/8e1217e1a4a50bc5?show_docid=8e1217e1a4a50bc5"/>
  <title type="text">Re: Oracle/GIS Testers Needed</title>
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  I get 6 failures and 26 errors but I do not know if any of them have &lt;br&gt; anything to do with multidb. The output is here: &lt;br&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;a target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=nofollow href=&quot;http://pastebin.com/m2c763672&quot;&gt;[link]&lt;/a&gt; &lt;br&gt; &lt;p&gt;By contrast on trunk I get 7 failures and 26 errors: &lt;br&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;a target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=nofollow href=&quot;http://pastebin.com/mf7c57a6&quot;&gt;[link]&lt;/a&gt; &lt;br&gt; &lt;p&gt;The unable to create INITIAL extent errors are new -- I&#39;ve not seen them
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  <author>
  <name>Tim</name>
  <email>tonightslasts...@gmail.com</email>
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  <updated>2009-11-20T20:24:06Z</updated>
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  <link href="http://groups.google.co.nz/group/django-developers/browse_frm/thread/54baac1d825877ad/e5c2a070132788ce?show_docid=e5c2a070132788ce"/>
  <title type="text">Design decision on FileField removing abandoned files?</title>
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  In light of ticket #11663 (&lt;a target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=nofollow href=&quot;http://code.djangoproject.com/ticket/&quot;&gt;[link]&lt;/a&gt; &lt;br&gt; 11663), and the consequent discussion on a thread on this group &lt;br&gt; (&lt;a target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=nofollow href=&quot;http://groups.google.com/group/django-developers/browse_thread/thread/&quot;&gt;[link]&lt;/a&gt; &lt;br&gt; 491619541ba6ac75).... it doesn&#39;t seem like there was any resolution on &lt;br&gt; the topic of having an optional keyword argument to automatically
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  <author>
  <name>ben</name>
  <email>ben.for...@gmail.com</email>
  </author>
  <updated>2009-11-20T16:16:58Z</updated>
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  <link href="http://groups.google.co.nz/group/django-developers/browse_frm/thread/149d7c4aabbc034f/01c53f35bf64afb3?show_docid=01c53f35bf64afb3"/>
  <title type="text">Re: Oracle/GIS Testers Needed</title>
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  No problem, I&#39;ll try and spin up some test db&#39;s of various versions &lt;br&gt; next week. &lt;br&gt; &lt;p&gt;Just to exlpain; the issue is that any date with a year less than 1000 &lt;br&gt; is being output padded with spaces (so year 0001 ends up as u&#39; 1&#39;). &lt;br&gt; This means that serialization is broken for these dates. &lt;br&gt; &lt;p&gt;At the moment as a workaround I&#39;ve manually patched my django, but
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  <author>
  <name>Alex Gaynor</name>
  <email>alex.gay...@gmail.com</email>
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  <updated>2009-11-20T16:06:25Z</updated>
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  <link href="http://groups.google.co.nz/group/django-developers/browse_frm/thread/149d7c4aabbc034f/cd79c051e72505b4?show_docid=cd79c051e72505b4"/>
  <title type="text">Re: Oracle/GIS Testers Needed</title>
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  I&#39;m not familiar with that ticket, nor the issues surrounding it, so &lt;br&gt; I&#39;d be uncomfortable applying a patch in any event, further that &lt;br&gt; ticket isn&#39;t specific to my branch so it should go through the normal &lt;br&gt; process of being committed to trunk, then I&#39;ll happily merge it in. &lt;br&gt; &lt;p&gt;Thanks for offering to run the tests!
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  <entry>
  <author>
  <name>ben</name>
  <email>ben.for...@gmail.com</email>
  </author>
  <updated>2009-11-20T16:03:05Z</updated>
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  <link href="http://groups.google.co.nz/group/django-developers/browse_frm/thread/149d7c4aabbc034f/96e78b14fb5d10b4?show_docid=96e78b14fb5d10b4"/>
  <title type="text">Re: Oracle/GIS Testers Needed</title>
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  Hi Alex, &lt;br&gt; &lt;p&gt;I have oracle at work with all versions from 9i to 11. I&#39;d be happy to &lt;br&gt; run the tests on all of those verisons. I wonder if I could ask a &lt;br&gt; small favour in return though: &lt;br&gt; &lt;p&gt;In our organisation we have a lot of legacy date/time data modeled as &lt;br&gt; the year 0001-01-01 and then the time in situations where the time is
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  <entry>
  <author>
  <name>Alex Gaynor</name>
  <email>alex.gay...@gmail.com</email>
  </author>
  <updated>2009-11-20T15:17:57Z</updated>
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  <link href="http://groups.google.co.nz/group/django-developers/browse_frm/thread/149d7c4aabbc034f/d5658422ca4fb1f4?show_docid=d5658422ca4fb1f4"/>
  <title type="text">Re: Oracle/GIS Testers Needed</title>
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  Just running the Oracle tests is enough for now. I&#39;ve fixed the error &lt;br&gt; you spotted with the stray import left over and pushed that to github. &lt;br&gt; &lt;p&gt;Thanks, &lt;br&gt; Alex &lt;br&gt; &lt;p&gt;-- &lt;br&gt; &amp;quot;I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your &lt;br&gt; right to say it.&amp;quot; -- Voltaire &lt;br&gt; &amp;quot;The people&#39;s good is the highest law.&amp;quot; -- Cicero
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  <entry>
  <author>
  <name>Russell Keith-Magee</name>
  <email>freakboy3...@gmail.com</email>
  </author>
  <updated>2009-11-20T14:47:48Z</updated>
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  <link href="http://groups.google.co.nz/group/django-developers/browse_frm/thread/eba93088c649022b/ed4c9ae90fa91d9b?show_docid=ed4c9ae90fa91d9b"/>
  <title type="text">Re: Session/cookie based messages (#4604)</title>
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  Looking at this again, it isn&#39;t as bad as I first thought, due to a &lt;br&gt; brainfart on my part. I was looking at the context processor code for &lt;br&gt; auth and mentally mapping it to the auth middleware for some reason. &lt;br&gt; &lt;p&gt;However, there is still a lesser version of the same problem - &lt;br&gt; request.messages.add() will fail outright if you try to invoke it
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  <entry>
  <author>
  <name>Tobias McNulty</name>
  <email>tob...@caktusgroup.com</email>
  </author>
  <updated>2009-11-20T13:50:28Z</updated>
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  <link href="http://groups.google.co.nz/group/django-developers/browse_frm/thread/eba93088c649022b/7b78cc341132061f?show_docid=7b78cc341132061f"/>
  <title type="text">Re: Session/cookie based messages (#4604)</title>
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  Hi Russell, thanks for all your feedback. I&#39;ll review the small issues in a &lt;br&gt; separate email (or just fix them), but here are my responses to the two &lt;br&gt; bigger problems. &lt;br&gt; &lt;p&gt;On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 3:29 AM, Russell Keith-Magee &amp;lt;freakboy3...@gmail.com &lt;br&gt; &lt;p&gt;The auth middleware now returns the same thing the messages middleware does,
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  <entry>
  <author>
  <name>Karen Tracey</name>
  <email>kmtra...@gmail.com</email>
  </author>
  <updated>2009-11-20T13:26:37Z</updated>
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  <link href="http://groups.google.co.nz/group/django-developers/browse_frm/thread/149d7c4aabbc034f/944e47ca094afb17?show_docid=944e47ca094afb17"/>
  <title type="text">Re: Oracle/GIS Testers Needed</title>
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  The queries test ran OK once I removed: &lt;br&gt; &lt;p&gt;from django.db.backends.oracle import query &lt;br&gt; &lt;p&gt;from django/db/backends/oracle/base .py &lt;br&gt; &lt;p&gt;I guessed based on the fact that django/db/backends/oracle/quer y.py was &lt;br&gt; removed in the last commit that the import was leftover from a &lt;br&gt; restructuring. I am not sure but it looks like there may also be some other
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  <entry>
  <author>
  <name>Russell Keith-Magee</name>
  <email>freakboy3...@gmail.com</email>
  </author>
  <updated>2009-11-20T10:53:34Z</updated>
  <id>http://groups.google.co.nz/group/django-developers/browse_frm/thread/149d7c4aabbc034f/f476b39f560205f3?show_docid=f476b39f560205f3</id>
  <link href="http://groups.google.co.nz/group/django-developers/browse_frm/thread/149d7c4aabbc034f/f476b39f560205f3?show_docid=f476b39f560205f3"/>
  <title type="text">Re: Oracle/GIS Testers Needed</title>
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  Thanks for the offer. For the moment, only the Oracle stuff requires &lt;br&gt; testing - GIS will need testing soon. We&#39;ll be sure to tap you on the &lt;br&gt; shoulder again when the GIS stuff is ready :-) &lt;br&gt; &lt;p&gt;For the moment, the priority isn&#39;t testing anything specifically &lt;br&gt; multi-database. We&#39;ve made a lot of fairly big changes to the
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  <entry>
  <author>
  <name>Russell Keith-Magee</name>
  <email>freakboy3...@gmail.com</email>
  </author>
  <updated>2009-11-20T08:29:56Z</updated>
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  <link href="http://groups.google.co.nz/group/django-developers/browse_frm/thread/eba93088c649022b/5cabacb85390a8a9?show_docid=5cabacb85390a8a9"/>
  <title type="text">Re: Session/cookie based messages (#4604)</title>
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  Here goes. Although there&#39;s a lot here, most of the problems are minor &lt;br&gt; or cosmetic: &lt;br&gt; &lt;p&gt; * importcls: I can see that the aim here is to reduce code &lt;br&gt; duplication. However, I&#39;m not convinced it&#39;s worth it - the code &lt;br&gt; you&#39;re replacing isn&#39;t that complex to start with, only occurs in two &lt;br&gt; places, and the price paid is a loss of fidelity in the error message.
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